http://spittingllamas.com/2004/12/01/%e2%80%a6-if-we-have-to-beat-it-out-of-you/ To the hilt! Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:20:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 http://spittingllamas.com/2004/12/01/%e2%80%a6-if-we-have-to-beat-it-out-of-you/#comment-1757 Randy Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:19:44 +0000 http://spittingllamas.com/?p=817#comment-1757 Okay, you might have a point, and you might be right, but, frankly, I'm far too lazy to click on and read all those links. Okay, you might have a point, and you might be right, but, frankly, I’m far too lazy to click on and read all those links.

]]> http://spittingllamas.com/2004/12/01/%e2%80%a6-if-we-have-to-beat-it-out-of-you/#comment-1756 Tiffany Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:59:07 +0000 http://spittingllamas.com/?p=817#comment-1756 I presume that you are referring to television networks when you say "major news organizations." Well, you aren’t going to hear about it on TV until enough people make enough noise. I wouldn’t expect to see it until the weekend or Monday, if it takes off, and on the news ticker at that. The New York Times ran a story on 11.30, http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/30/politics/30gitmo.html , and the ICRC response is here, http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList4/C5667B446C9A4DF7C1256F5C00403967 . Talk radio, namely Unfiltered and The Randi Rhodes on Air America, internet blogs, and newspapers especially the foreign papers are your best sources of reliable information nowadays. The mainstream media has resorted to reporting spin as fact in an effort to shake the “liberal media stigma” imposed by the radical right wing in this country. And if by chance you actually believe the mainstream media is liberal, visit http://mediamatters.org/ they nail all the networks and http://www.fair.org/ nails newspapers and networks. I presume that you are referring to television networks when you say “major news organizations.” Well, you aren’t going to hear about it on TV until enough people make enough noise. I wouldn’t expect to see it until the weekend or Monday, if it takes off, and on the news ticker at that. The New York Times ran a story on 11.30, http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/30/politics/30gitmo.html , and the ICRC response is here, http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList4/C5667B446C9A4DF7C1256F5C00403967 . Talk radio, namely Unfiltered and The Randi Rhodes on Air America, internet blogs, and newspapers especially the foreign papers are your best sources of reliable information nowadays. The mainstream media has resorted to reporting spin as fact in an effort to shake the “liberal media stigma” imposed by the radical right wing in this country. And if by chance you actually believe the mainstream media is liberal, visit http://mediamatters.org/ they nail all the networks and http://www.fair.org/ nails newspapers and networks.

]]> http://spittingllamas.com/2004/12/01/%e2%80%a6-if-we-have-to-beat-it-out-of-you/#comment-1755 Randy Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:39:48 +0000 http://spittingllamas.com/?p=817#comment-1755 If this is all true, how come we're not seeing any major news organizations covering it? If this is all true, how come we’re not seeing any major news organizations covering it?

]]> http://spittingllamas.com/2004/12/01/%e2%80%a6-if-we-have-to-beat-it-out-of-you/#comment-1754 Tiffany Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:31:38 +0000 http://spittingllamas.com/?p=817#comment-1754 Just adding some background. The International Committee of the Red Cross, ICRC, not the American Red Cross is the humanitarian aid group that has documented the abuses. This is an important distinction because the ICRC acts as a neutral body holding agreements with the major countries around the world, including the US, that give them access to POWs, enemy combatants, etc. as long as their findings are kept confidential. This report was leaked because the Pentagon is publicly stating that the presence of the Red Cross (no doubt they incorrectly citing the organization deliberately) means that the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay are being treated well. As you can see, this puts the ICRC in quite a position. The US Government is using the good name of the ICRC to deliberately mislead the public. Apparently someone thought that the abuses that are being practiced at Gitmo are severe enough to break the decades old stance of neutrality. It will be interesting to see if the ICRC is welcomed back to Gitmo any time soon. Just adding some background. The International Committee of the Red Cross, ICRC, not the American Red Cross is the humanitarian aid group that has documented the abuses. This is an important distinction because the ICRC acts as a neutral body holding agreements with the major countries around the world, including the US, that give them access to POWs, enemy combatants, etc. as long as their findings are kept confidential. This report was leaked because the Pentagon is publicly stating that the presence of the Red Cross (no doubt they incorrectly citing the organization deliberately) means that the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay are being treated well. As you can see, this puts the ICRC in quite a position. The US Government is using the good name of the ICRC to deliberately mislead the public. Apparently someone thought that the abuses that are being practiced at Gitmo are severe enough to break the decades old stance of neutrality. It will be interesting to see if the ICRC is welcomed back to Gitmo any time soon.

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