Comments on: Gospel of Judas http://spittingllamas.com/2006/04/14/gospel-of-judas/ To the hilt! Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:22:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Billy G http://spittingllamas.com/2006/04/14/gospel-of-judas/#comment-2276 Billy G Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:48:15 +0000 http://spittingllamas.com/?p=1018#comment-2276 "If Jesus went back to Jerusalem knowing he was going to die, then wasn’t Judas just fulfilling divine will? Why would that be considered to be bad?" you dont get the point...the devine will was not for jesus to get killed. it was to cleanse the sins of man. could jesus not have just jumped the country and escaped death?...no thats not the point. "If the basis of Christianity is that the death and resurrection of Jesus is what cleansed all sins, then couldn’t one say Judas did a good thing?" it's not to say that judas betraying him was the reason for the cleansing. read the passage again. think for yourself, question authority, question reality, learn to swim. "And, if Jesus was so feared by the Roman’s, then why did they have to pay Judas to identify Jesus?" why cant the police today just shoot someone who they think might be guilty? “If Jesus went back to Jerusalem knowing he was going to die, then wasn’t Judas just fulfilling divine will? Why would that be considered to be bad?”

you dont get the point…the devine will was not for jesus to get killed. it was to cleanse the sins of man. could jesus not have just jumped the country and escaped death?…no thats not the point.

“If the basis of Christianity is that the death and resurrection of Jesus is what cleansed all sins, then couldn’t one say Judas did a good thing?”

it’s not to say that judas betraying him was the reason for the cleansing. read the passage again. think for yourself, question authority, question reality, learn to swim.

“And, if Jesus was so feared by the Roman’s, then why did they have to pay Judas to identify Jesus?”

why cant the police today just shoot someone who they think might be guilty?

]]> By: Nick http://spittingllamas.com/2006/04/14/gospel-of-judas/#comment-2275 Nick Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:46:57 +0000 http://spittingllamas.com/?p=1018#comment-2275 In regards to this posting, it is very important that you always question things, and not accept things because they are handed down to you by parents or even university professors, and definitely dont "blind faith it" as many Christian mainstreamers will tell you. However, most Christian mainstreamers don't possess the type of information that you would be looking for anyways. The Gospel of Judas is not officially recognized (even by secular scholars) as a true account of events. It was found to be written some 200 years or more after Judas was alive(meaning Judas did not write it; and as opposed to the cannonized gospels which were written some 40 - 80 years after Jesus died - but by the author who witnessed Jesus or was with someone who did). The Gospel of Judas was probably tied to many of the groups who took parts of Christianity and blended it with Heretical teaching, the same groups Paul warns about in a few of his letters. Its not like Jesus needed Judas to do what he did, to turn him in, its just that Jesus knew he would do it, and so did the prophets who wrote about it in the Old Testament. Judas was in charge of the money for the group and shows his true colors a few times throughout the gospels (i.e. when he shows concern over the amount of money the perfume cost that the prostitute used on Jesus). I would have to say that Judas was not fulfilling divine "will" as if God wanted Judas to turn Jesus in, God just knew he would. The Romans and the Jews many times did not recognize Jesus because he and his disciples were so much a group, they were all one and the same - they were equals. Jesus did not lead in the same way we think of leaders today- up front, bold, outspoken - he stuck to the villages and rural areas for most of his ministry also- which mainly happened outside of Jerusalem. He was in the North for much of his life. He stayed away from Jerusalem for a long time once his ministry started because of the unbelief of the Jews there, and because he knew thats where he would one day die. Thats Biblical - but I dont know the exact verses. So its quite logical that many of the Sanhedrin (the group the ultimately condemned Jesus to death) did not know what he looked like. Of course the Romans could care less. The Roman soldiers cared little for the Jews. They just ruled over them, considering them an underclass. In the end you do have to keep questioning, keep searching, and not accept things - Dont even accept what I say - Look it up yourself. But know that in the end, it was not Judas who was responsible for Jesus' death - It was you and I In regards to this posting, it is very important that you always question things, and not accept things because they are handed down to you by parents or even university professors, and definitely dont “blind faith it” as many Christian mainstreamers will tell you. However, most Christian mainstreamers don’t possess the type of information that you would be looking for anyways.
The Gospel of Judas is not officially recognized (even by secular scholars) as a true account of events. It was found to be written some 200 years or more after Judas was alive(meaning Judas did not write it; and as opposed to the cannonized gospels which were written some 40 - 80 years after Jesus died - but by the author who witnessed Jesus or was with someone who did). The Gospel of Judas was probably tied to many of the groups who took parts of Christianity and blended it with Heretical teaching, the same groups Paul warns about in a few of his letters.
Its not like Jesus needed Judas to do what he did, to turn him in, its just that Jesus knew he would do it, and so did the prophets who wrote about it in the Old Testament. Judas was in charge of the money for the group and shows his true colors a few times throughout the gospels (i.e. when he shows concern over the amount of money the perfume cost that the prostitute used on Jesus). I would have to say that Judas was not fulfilling divine “will” as if God wanted Judas to turn Jesus in, God just knew he would.
The Romans and the Jews many times did not recognize Jesus because he and his disciples were so much a group, they were all one and the same - they were equals. Jesus did not lead in the same way we think of leaders today- up front, bold, outspoken - he stuck to the villages and rural areas for most of his ministry also- which mainly happened outside of Jerusalem. He was in the North for much of his life. He stayed away from Jerusalem for a long time once his ministry started because of the unbelief of the Jews there, and because he knew thats where he would one day die. Thats Biblical - but I dont know the exact verses. So its quite logical that many of the Sanhedrin (the group the ultimately condemned Jesus to death) did not know what he looked like. Of course the Romans could care less. The Roman soldiers cared little for the Jews. They just ruled over them, considering them an underclass.
In the end you do have to keep questioning, keep searching, and not accept things - Dont even accept what I say - Look it up yourself. But know that in the end, it was not Judas who was responsible for Jesus’ death - It was you and I

]]> By: Chaac http://spittingllamas.com/2006/04/14/gospel-of-judas/#comment-2274 Chaac Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:23:29 +0000 http://spittingllamas.com/?p=1018#comment-2274 Spot on. It is interesting that the true meaning of most spiritual and allegorical information -the most important bits- have been sanitized from Christian teaching. I vaguely recall reading somewhere that in the past religion was made literal so the less intelligent could comprehend and be controlled and that the real symbolic meaning was kept for the priests. It seems that even that may be lost to some;-) Imagine speaking such supposed important teachings in Latin, which none of the supposed illiterate understood, then picking the same pagan days for Christian holidays and celebrations etc meanwhile stripping away what may have been an amazing –but rival- ancient spiritual truth. Imagine, then deciding which gospels –there are more than 4- to let us see and then blame our lack of faith when we are alert enough to realise they contradict each other? Interesting I say. Spot on. It is interesting that the true meaning of most spiritual and allegorical information -the most important bits- have been sanitized from Christian teaching. I vaguely recall reading somewhere that in the past religion was made literal so the less intelligent could comprehend and be controlled and that the real symbolic meaning was kept for the priests. It seems that even that may be lost to some;-)

Imagine speaking such supposed important teachings in Latin, which none of the supposed illiterate understood, then picking the same pagan days for Christian holidays and celebrations etc meanwhile stripping away what may have been an amazing –but rival- ancient spiritual truth.

Imagine, then deciding which gospels –there are more than 4- to let us see and then blame our lack of faith when we are alert enough to realise they contradict each other? Interesting I say.

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